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Forget Cheney, Obama Has Trouble On Gitmo: From Judith Miller, Michelle Malkin, Joe Biden…..

May 22, 2009

Holy Cow!  Judth Miller, late of the new York Times, completely agrees with Michelle Malkin on the Obama Gitmo Non-Plan.

On Fox News Channel on Friday afternnoon, Miller said putting the likes of Gitmo terrorists in with the U.S. prison population “would cause real problems.”

Like Michelle Malkin, Miller discusses the “graduate education” bad guys can get in U.S. prisons.

“His push to transfer violent Muslim warmongers into our civilian prisons – where they have proselytized and plotted with impunity– will only make the problem worse,” Malkin wrote of Obama’s idea to put Gitmo terrorists into U.S. prisons.

Even Joe Biden balked at the President’s plan.

“But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It’s like opening Pandora’s Box. We don’t know what’s inside the box,” Biden said.

He also said that “to the best of my knowledge” the number of prisoners “who are a real danger who are not able to returned or tried” has “not been established” by the Obama administration.

So he basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney’s analysis that the decision was taken “with little deliberation, and no plan”.

http://michellemalkin.com/200
9/05/22/the-jihadi-virus-in-our-jails/

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Biden on Obama’s Gitmo “Plan”: “It’s Like Opening Pandora’s Box”

Biden on Obama’s Gitmo “Plan”: “It’s Like Opening Pandora’s Box”

May 22, 2009

Speaking to reporters on the final day of his tour of the Balkans, Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged the administration still hasn’t figured out what to do with all the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay but predicted that it will still meet its deadline of closing the prison within a year. “I think so,” Biden said, when asked about the January 2010 deadline. “But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It’s like opening Pandora’s Box. We don’t know what’s inside the box.”

Read the rest from Newsweek:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/a
rchive/2009/05/21/biden-on-gitmo-it-s-like
-opening-pandora-s-box.aspx

Psst: They sent you out there hoping you wouldn’t say any more dumb stuff…..

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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/2
2/video-obama-takes-swipe-at-iraq
-war-at-naval-academy-commencement/

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By Toby Harnden
The Telegraph, London

Thank goodness for Vice President Joe Biden. In one of the few amusing parts of the Wanda Sykes comedy routine at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, she said: “God forbid that Joe Biden falls into the hands of terrorists….We’re done. Oh, they won’t even have to torture him. All they have to do is go, ‘How’s it going, Joe?'”

Indeed. It seems that all a reporter has to do to find out about the pickle Barack Obama’s is really in over his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison is to ask the veep, who was talking to the press at Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo on the final day of his trip to the Balkans.

So will Obama fulfill his vow – announced amid great fanfare in an executive order on day two of his presidency – to close the facility by January 2010? “I think so,” Biden responded, according to Newsweek’s Holly Bailey.

So perhaps he will. Or perhaps not. We’ll see.

Biden continued: “But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It’s like opening Pandora’s Box. We don’t know what’s inside the box.”

He also said that “to the best of my knowledge” the number of prisoners “who are a real danger who are not able to returned or tried” has “not been established” by the Obama administration.

So he basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney’s analysis that the decision was taken “with little deliberation, and no plan”.

Read the rest:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2
009/05/22/out_of_the_loop_joe_biden_says_
decision_to_shut_guantanamo_was_like_open
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U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gestures as he leaves Beirut international ...
“This is the Holy Land, right?”  Biden takes a page out of The One’s Book.  U.S. Vice President Joe Biden gestures as he leaves Beirut international airport May 22, 2009.REUTERS/ Jamal saidi (LEBANON POLITICS)

Muslim Terrorists Offer To Lay Down Their Arms, Renounce Terrorism, To Thank Obama For Closing Gitmo

May 22, 2009

We’ll be waitning to see that headline.  Forever.

Yesterday President Obama said (again):

“Instead of serving as a tool to counter-terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever detained.”

Former Vice President Cheney said:

“Another term out there that slipped into the discussion is the notion that American interrogation practices were a “recruitment tool” for the enemy. On this theory, by the tough questioning of killers, we have supposedly fallen short of our own values. This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately, including from the President himself. And after a familiar fashion, it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do. It’s another version of that same old refrain from the Left, “We brought it on ourselves.”

If terrorists are delighted that Gitmo is closing it will be because they are now going to live on U.S. soil with the hope of meeting even more people they can recruit to their cause, as Michelle Malkin points out….

http://michellemalkin.com/200
9/05/22/the-jihadi-virus-in-our-jails/

Obama Vindicates Bush

May 22, 2009

If hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, then the flip-flops on previously denounced anti-terror measures are the homage that Barack Obama pays to George Bush. Within 125 days, Obama has adopted with only minor modifications huge swaths of the entire, allegedly lawless Bush program.

By Charles Krauthammer
The Washington Post

The latest flip-flop is the restoration of military tribunals. During the 2008 campaign, Obama denounced them repeatedly, calling them an “enormous failure.” Obama suspended them upon his swearing-in. Now they’re back.

Of course, Obama will never admit in word what he’s doing in deed. As in his rhetorically brilliant national-security speech yesterday claiming to have undone Bush’s moral travesties, the military commissions flip-flop is accompanied by the usual Obama three-step: (a) excoriate the Bush policy, (b) ostentatiously unveil cosmetic changes, (c) adopt the Bush policy.

Cosmetic changes such as Obama’s declaration that “we will give detainees greater latitude in selecting their own counsel.” Laughable. High-toned liberal law firms are climbing over each other for the frisson of representing these miscreants in court.

Read the rest:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co
ntent/article/2009/05/21/AR2009052103
680.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney said in his speech May 21, 2009:

President Obama has reserved unto himself the right to order the use of enhanced interrogation should he deem it appropriate. What value remains to that authority is debatable, given that the enemy now knows exactly what interrogation methods to train against, and which ones not to worry about. Yet having reserved for himself the authority to order enhanced interrogation after an emergency, you would think that President Obama would be less20disdainful of what his predecessor authorized after 9/11.

It’s almost gone unnoticed that the president has retained the power to order the same methods in the same circumstances. When they talk about interrogations, he and his administration speak as if they have resolved some great moral dilemma in how to extract critical information from terrorists. Instead they have put the decision off, while assigning a presumption of moral superiority to any decision they make in the future.

Read it all:
Cheney Speech Text, May 21, 2009

Brits Welcome Obama’s Moral Stand on Gitmo; Just Distracted By Mega-Scandal in Parliament

May 21, 2009

Much has been made of the moral condemnation of the United States over Gitmo and the supoposed “torture.”  We just thought we might note that moral authority comes from, well, not Europe…..

Don’t forget: only three guys were waterboarded….

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President Obama declared today that opening Guantánamo Bay was a mistake that encouraged terrorism and compromised America’s moral standing in the world as he reaffirmed his commitment to close it down despite setbacks in Congress.

The President said that keeping the military camp open was more dangerous than shutting it down and transferring the prisoners. “Let me be blunt there are no easy or neat answers here,” he said. “As President I refuse to allow this problem to fester, I refuse to pass it on to someone else.”

Yesterday, the Senate refused to finance the Obama Administration’s plan to close the military camp and transfer the suspects to American prisons.

From the Times, London
Read the rest:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne
ws/world/us_and_americas/article6336218.ece

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From a reader of the ECONOMIST:

Regardless of which side of the political spectrum you fall, it is disheartening to see that the mother of all parliaments has so egregiously shameed itself and by extension the people. No more can the UK stand with any moral authrority and lecture the developing world of transperency and good governance, when it has turned its back on the very principles it took such delight in naming and shaming others to follow. The parliamnet’s on recourse was to oust and make a scapegoat of the Speaker and we they should all follow his example.

http://www.economist.com/world/britain/dis
playstory.cfm?story_id=13649500&mod
e=comment&intent=readBottom

Michelle Malkin:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05
/21/dueling-banjos-in-washington/

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39% Say U.S. Legal System Too Worried About Individual Rights Over National Security

May 21, 2009

In the tension between individual rights and national security, 39% of voters nationwide now believe that our legal system worries too much about protecting individual rights.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 24% believe our legal system worries too much about national security and 25% say the balance is about right.

Those figures confirm a shift in perceptions that was first recorded….

Read the rest from Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politi
cs/general_politics/39_say_u_s_legal_system_too_wo
rried_about_individual_rights_over_national_security

Obama, Cheney Speeches on Gitmo: Better Format for Future Presidential Debates Than the Pablum Now Used…

May 21, 2009

Did the dueling speeches of President Barack Obama and former Vice President Dick Cheney cause some interest today?

You bet.  In fact, we’d venture a guess that many on both sides of the political aisle would say they’d be better served before the next presidential election if this kind of “debate” of the issues would be used to replace the lame Q & A format now in style.

In fact, today’s dueling speeches would have better served us if they had been made last September….

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Cheney: New York Times is No Friend
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National Security: Obama says he’s undoing ‘mess’ left for him; Cheney disagrees

http://michellemalkin.com/20
09/05/21/dueling-banjos-in-washington/

Cheney: New York Times is No Friend

May 21, 2009
“Our government prevented attacks and saved lives through the Terrorist Surveillance Program, which let us intercept calls and track contacts between al-Qaeda operatives and persons inside the United States. The program was top secret, and for good reason, until the editors of the New York Times got it and put it on the front page. After 9/11, the Times had spent months publishing the pictures and the stories of everyone killed by al-Qaeda on 9/11. Now here was that same newspaper publishing secrets in a way that could only help al-Qaeda. It impressed the Pulitzer committee, but it damn sure didn’t serve the interests of our country, or the safety of our people.”

That from former Vice President Dick Cheney’s speech on national security on May 21, 2009.

Cheney also said, “In the category of euphemism, the prizewinning entry would be a recent editorial in a familiar newspaper that referred to terrorists we’ve captured as, quote, “abducted.” Here we have ruthless enemies of this country, stopped in their tracks by brave operatives in the service of America, and a major editorial page makes them sound like they were kidnap victims, picked up at random on their way to the movies.”

Developing…..

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/0
5/21/dueling-banjos-in-washington/

Lawyerly Obama Good at Bush Bashing, Bad on Morality, Cloaked in Self Righteousness

May 21, 2009

After Obama’s Notre Dame speech on abortion, Time Magazine’s Amy Sullivan likened Obama’s approach to “If you’re not with us, then let’s sit down over cookies and talk about it.”

But on George Bush, Dick Cheney, Gitmo and waterborading, lawyer Obama is mad and dying to get even with his predecessor and set the legal record straight.

Dick Cheney said, “In the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground.”

But at Notre Dame and elsewhere, the lawyer in Obama, and the teacher in Obama, has always listened to all sides: even the terrorists side (can we still call them that?).

1.2 million abortions were performed in the U.S. in 2005, 25% below the all-time high of 1.6 million abortions in 1990.

There were exactly three terrorists “waterboarded” by the United States.  None suffered permanent harm.  All are alive, well fed and well cared for, by all accounts from both Democrats and Republicans.

But the president who has said he would rather look forward than back, took to the stage today to look back and dig deep.

Obama skated past the Notre Dame graduating class on Sunday, offering middle ground in the face of one million or so deaths every year.

Then today the President adamantly, vehemently defended the rights of a few hundred prisoners that are all probably terrorists.

On Sunday he was happy to discuss the continuing policy of the United States to kill over 1 million babies every year. Today he is outraged that the United States waterboarded three men that, many say, had information of a mass attack to kill Americans.

It just seems to us, that President Obama’s moral outrage at the Bush Administration lacks some reality and consistency of legal thinking….and might just be more political than moral preaching or legal fact finding.

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39% Say U.S. Legal System Too Worried About Individual Rights Over National Security

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Hot Air:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/21/chen
ey-in-the-fight-against-terrorism-there-is-no-middle-ground/
:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/
05/21/dueling-banjos-in-washington/

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Barack Obama apparently blesses and thanks the graduates of Notre Dame….Sunday, May 17, 2009. Center is board of trustees chairman Dick Notebaert.(AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

National Security: Obama says he’s undoing ‘mess’ left for him; Cheney disagrees

May 21, 2009

“We are cleaning up something that is, quite simply, a mess, a misguided experiment that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that my Administration is forced to deal with on a constant, almost-daily basis, and that consumes the time of government officials whose time should be spent on better protecting our country,” President Obama said, referring to Gitmo, the enhanced interrogation techniques and the military tribunals. 

President Barack Obama gave a national security speech today, laying out his position on Gitmo, interrogations and terrorist.

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White House: “It Was a Mistake” To Set Up Gitmo. Really?

President Barack Obama
APSaid former U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and New York Daily News columnist Ralph Peters, “This did not sound like our president.  It sounded like some lawyer….”

 

“Obama should get on with governing,” Peters said, “not worrying about the comfort of terrorist prisoners.”

Former Vice President Dick Cheney’s speech, called a rebuttal, was scheduled before Obama’s and without knowledge of Obama’s text.

Cheney said only three men were “waterboarded” and all had vital information needed to prevent further attacks.  Cheney asked that the documents showing how the prisoners responded to EIT’s be released.

Cheney was undoubtedly sure of what the president was expected to say.

“People who consistently distort the truth in this way are in no position to lecture anyone about ‘values,'” Cheney said.

“We sought, and we in fact obtained, specific information on terrorist plans,” said Cheney.

“To completely rule out enhanced interrogation methods in the future is unwise in the extreme. It is recklessness cloaked in righteousness, and would make the American people less safe. The administration seems to pride itself on searching for some kind of middle ground in policies addressing terrorism. They may take comfort in hearing disagreement from opposite ends of the spectrum. If liberals are unhappy about some decisions, and conservatives are unhappy about other decisions, then it may seem to them that the President is on the path of sensible compromise. But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed. You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States, you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist out of the United States. Triangulation is a political strategy, not a national security strategy. When just a single clue that goes unlearned … one lead that goes unpursued … can bring on catastrophe – it’s no time for splitting differences. There is never a good time to compromise when the lives and safety of the American people are in the balance.”

“Apparently using the term “war” where terrorists are concerned is starting to feel a bit dated. So henceforth we’re advised by the administration to think of the fight against terrorists as, quote, “Overseas contingency operations.” In the event of another terrorist attack on America, the Homeland Security Department assures us it will be ready for this, quote, “man-made disaster” – never mind that the whole Department was created for the purpose of protecting Americans from terrorist attack.

And when you hear that there are no more, quote, “enemy combatants,” as there were back in the days of that scary war on terror, at first that sounds like progress. The only problem is that the phrase is gone, but the same assortment of killers and would-be mass murderers are still there. And finding some less judgmental or more pleasant-sounding name for terrorists doesn’t change what they are – or what they would do if we let them loose.”

Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia had a pretty good take on the two speeches:

“Salesmanship versus policy preference. The better salesman is unquestionably Barack Obama, and his credibility advantage gets the administration’s proposals a fair hearing by the voters. Dick Cheney is firmly tied to an unpopular, discredited administration, and it is tough for many people to ignore the messenger so that they can fairly evaluate the message. Yet the other fundamental is at the heart of the President’s problem. Obama is trying to sell a disliked policy. Nothing in his speech acted as an antidote to the NIMBY response that has overwhelmed his high minded argumentation for closing Guantanamo and bringing most detainees to the U.S. If the Republicans had a more appealing spokesperson for their point of view, they might prevail. If the President had a more appealing policy, he might prevail. The party that changes this equation in its favor over the coming months may win the day on this critical matter.”

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From Stephen Dinan
The Washington Times

Accusing President Obama of giving Americans “less than half the truth,” former Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday tough interrogation tactics worked, and said the tactics had the approval of members of Congress including current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The former vice president said the president’s attempt to find a middle ground that angers the right and the left is compromising American security: “in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half-exposed.”

Mr. Cheney said tough interrogation tactics “were legal, essential, justified, successful and the right thing to do.”

Read the rest:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20
09/may/21/cheney-says-pelosi-knew-interrogations/

Cheney Speech Text:
Cheney Speech Text, May 21, 2009

Obama Speech Text:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/
05/21/raw-data-text-president-obam
as-speech-national-security/
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Michelle Malkin:
http://michellemalkin.com/200
9/05/21/obama-channels-john-kerry/

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